Where does it end?

I have read other blog posts lately that state Pagans should gather together and disband from the LGBT community. Since they have abandoned us with their attacking of the now infamous Indiana law. 


It’s written so loosey-goosey that anything one states is a closely held religious belief- which is highly subjective- can be used as a reason to not work with another. 


So when does it stop? 


5 thoughts on “Where does it end?

  1. Willow says:

    They have abandoned us because they stood up against a law that allowed discrimination, not just against LGBTs but also against pagans? Yes the target was LGBTs, but those same businesses could refuse to serve pagans, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, blacks, Asians, etc etc and claim religious freedom. That same law would allow a man to beat his wife and kids. Any law that allows discrimination of any kind is wrong in my books, and religion is most certainly NOT an excuse to treat others are less than human. I am shocked any pagan would say we should stop supporting the LGBT community. Hell, many of them are pagans. No one is free until we are all free.

    • Lunapo says:

      Exactly. It really made me shake my head when I read it. Discrimination is bad for everyone.

      No one until all…very very well said!

    • Okay, I am very much against the Indiana law, but let’s be against the actual law, and not some made up ideas about what the law “could” do. Absolutely nothing in the law (before or after its modification by the state conference committee) could in any way allow a man to beat his wife and kids. To suggest otherwise is irresponsible and detrimental to the legitimate concerns raised by this law (and others like it). Let’s actually read the laws and critique them in a responsible fashion rather than spreading wildly exaggerated theories about what they might do.

      • I think Lunapo poses a very serious question. If a man does beat his wife and children and claims that his deeply held religious beliefs enable him to do so (or worse, demand that he do so, perhaps as a behavior modifier) then under Indiana’s new law he is within his right to do so, though obviously he is in clear violation of other laws that protect someone from being beaten. How would we as a society view such a man, and how would a court of law judge him? When the rights protected under IN’s new law intersect with criminal behavior as defined by other laws, which one wins out?

      • It is impossible for me to answer your question because the question itself is irrational (by which I mean – it hasn’t even a casual relationship to the body of the law being discussed). There is NO intersection between the Indiana law being discussed and criminal law, because the two things have absolutely no relationship. This law is focused on the conduct of legal activity, specifically the question of refraining from that legal conduct (commerce) with a person or persons based upon religious grounds. Illegal actions (such as assault) are illegal – and therefore fall outside the bounds of this law.

        I suppose, if we really wanted to get ridiculous about it, we could ponder a situation where a prostitute refused services to someone based upon their sexual orientation. If we lived in crazyland, and you could file suit against someone for failure to render illegal services, I suppose the sex worker would be protected against any suit filed on the basis of discrimination. But seriously, at this point we’ve left the slippery slope far behind and are in pure logic free fall.

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